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Lemoine
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 Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Fight Club |
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| Three-hander BL? DWAP? Maybe INSTITUTIONALIZED?
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crazrick
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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the first rule of Fight Club is DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!!
Why not Rites of Passage?
Ed Norton's lead character has a major Life Problem in that his life IS the problem... he's been living the Stasis=Death lifestyle for so long, and it's been eating away at him so long, he develops psychosis-inducing insomnia.
The wrong way to attack this major life problem is to listen to his buddy his pal Tyler Durdan, start up the fight club, breed that basement full of chaos and anarchy, then unleash it upon the world
The solution found in acceptance of all he can't change and ability to manage what he can change comes in the end, a little late to save several financial institutions from collapsing into ruin, but hey! at least he saves his own life, right? becomes a 'complete' if not wholly 'better' person again, no?
so, I gotta go with ROP...
maybe...
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Lemoine
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Crazrick, I had a tough time agreeing with you at first, but I sat down to watch it again and I really think you're right. Mucho props for seeing the core of this one because I think arguments could be made for 4, maybe even 5 other genres.
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Lemoine
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Crazrick,
I was really with you on Fight Club being a ROP, but hearing Edward Norton state the theme recently at the 3-and-a-half-minute mark sent me on another course...again:
"We're still men. Men is what we are."
And that, my friend, is the institution - the institution of "manhood". Edward Norton is the "Naif" that abandons his Ikea-ying-yang-table side to find his masculinity in Tyler Durden - the true founder of Fight "Club". And in the end, Edward Norton simultaneously "burns it down" and "commits suicide" by killing Tyler Durden and taking the hand of Marla Singer to behold the destruction his institution ignited.
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crazrick
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: |
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sounds good!
I change my opinion to Institutionalized
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It's an ROP with an MI leading it.
The theme stated: "We're still men. Men is what we are."
But in the realm of Palahniuk, everything stands in pitch black irony...these are all men who've essentially been castrated. They are on not necessarily men, they are just trying to get by in life by defining themselves as men, in a similar sense as Tyler does when he questions the CK ad on the bus and asks, "is that what a man is?"
The narrator "Jack" (maybe his name) states the real heart of what he is when he's talking with Tyler in the bathroom and basically says, "we are 30 year old boys."
The ROP is breaking free of his anarchist imaginary friend and becoming his own man...not living a waking dream as some idol he created in the image of Brad Pitt.
This could be considered somewhat of a Family Institution in that same way dark way, by the very lack of family and how it's void is filled by the anarchy of the Fight Club family.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Refresh my memory, what does MI stand for again?
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crazrick
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Lemoine
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: |
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No wonder you're a Liger, Rick. No joke.
At it's heart, more than anything else, Fight Club is Institutionalized.
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