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Ralph Dobbins
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Stella.

Glad you found our community. Before you get too deeply involved in screenwriting I would encourage you to do a great deal of soul searching and decide why it is that you think you want to write screenplays as opposed to poetry, lyrics, novels, plays or any other form.

In fact there's a thread here on this site that is a great jumping off point. It is appropriately named - Why we write.

You write

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Do I write first just to get the ideas down and then learn the rules of the game later or vice versa?


Vice Versa. You wouldn't try and work on a car, build a house or play chess without knowing about the subject.

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This might be re-stating the "where do I start" question....but seriously, where do I start?


Force yourself to put your seat to the chair and your hands to the keyboard. I keep a personal journal in MS Word open at all times along with the project that I'm working on at the moment. I move back an forth in order to keep myself writing. Bottom line writers write.

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can't seem to bring myself to tell anyone


Why do you think that is? Release from your apprehension lies in the answer to that question.

Here are a couple of articles that may help you through this process:

http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/scriptsarc11/index.cgi?read=158555

http://www.wordplayer.com/columns/wp34.Throw.in.the.Towel.html

My opinion is just that and by way of total disclosure I have never sold a screenplay.

If you decide that this is what you want to do I would suggest purchasing Blake's first two books and his soon to be released third. Read them until you feel like you can quote from them.

This forum is a great place to get clarification on concepts that are fuzzy. Post your questions or search the archives. There are very generous people here willing to help writers who are willing to put in the time.

Hope you find encouragement in these words.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Ralph



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zalee
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Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

Call me Zalee for short (Thats pronounced as zah-lee).

I am new "kitten" in this forum, but not to Blake Snyder's books and the precious STC software. My passion has been storytelling, but my career has taken a slight turn and been into editing for over 15 years.

I had proper education in filmmaking, but nothing beats "saving the cat" which I learnt through the materials, though I have not made any "blockbuster" yet. I have been using it for "doctoring" scripts and advise for other writers locally.

It's sad that he is not around anymore. Wish he had came to this part of the world, but nevertheless, our stories will never stop, even in the editing room.

Glad to be part of this community and I hope it's never too late to learn something new here.

Cheers.



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Ralph Dobbins
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Zalee. Looking forward to hearing from you and your perspective in the editing room.



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stella81
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ralph,
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed response, I truly appreciate the input and the links!

Regarding why screenwriting versus other writing formats- while I love writing, I am not in love with the written word so much as telling a story. I am a photographer who has spent years trying to tell stories through images, but it was never enough. Also, this is not so much a career "change" as a career addition. I love photography and I don't plan on giving it up anytime soon. This is just new and exciting, hence a little distracting Smile

I will be purchasing Blake's books asap to use as a jumping off point. I really like the advice of keeping a Word doc open at all times. I did that today and managed to actually get some thoughts down! (now, to make sense of them...).

thanks again, I will probably be back on the forum with lots of questions!


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Ralph Dobbins
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad you found something useful in my comments.
What kind of photography do you do? Have you experimented with movie or video cameras?
I'm an artist by training. Currently I paint and create found object assemblage.
While working on my MA in Art History I became an admirer of Cindy Sherman and Sally Mann's work.



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heylang
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Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Stella81 and Welcome.

I want to echo Ralph's great advice as to owning and reading Blake's books. They are absolutely invaluable. Also the Wordplay columns by Terry Rossio.

I had um'd and ah'd about screenplay writing for many, many years. The first book I bought was Screenwriting for Dummies. It didn't provide a great deal of insight but it served the purpose of breaking the ice for me and prompted me to buy other books and search for websites and online articles. But still putting thoughts on paper eluded me. It took me a while to realise what my problem was. Somehow I felt that I needed to have a complete story in my head before I could start writing it. Well that's never going to happen. I read one of Terry's Wordplay columns and decided I just needed to make a start. I had a basic story outline. A scene popped into my head so I wrote it down. This naturally flowed into another couple of scenes. I soon found I was writing disjointed scenes. Not great for a story but great for me. From this I developed a very concise treatment then started picking out scenes from there to write. Before I knew it I had a very rough first draft.
It was utter garbage but it made me very happy.
I now have a dozen story outlines with scripts at varying degrees of completeness.
My method has changed a little but the basics remain the same. I now start with a basic story, build it up to a larger outline, basic beat sheet and then build it out to an intensely detailed beat sheet. From here I simply start writing any scene that comes to mind. I then end up with a number of separate, numbered documents. Each one of them being a scene. Once I have the whole story written I put all the scenes together in order. Then I have my first draft.

This method may not work for most people but it works for me and it keeps me writing.

Like you, I also kept my writing side to myself for fear of being embarrassed. After a year and a bit I told my wife and daughter and they were very supportive. We are slowly revealing this to friends and I'll be happy to let the world know once my first screenplay goes to market.

I hope this helps you. It has certainly helped me by posting this. Good luck with your writing.


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Mike Rinaldi
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A big welcome to all of you new cats. I'm glad that even after Blake's passing, our community keeps growing!



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,

I'm Paul from Liverpool,England. I'm doing MA in T.V scriptwriting at Manchester university. Just want to say Hi to everyone.

I was only introduced to ' Save The Cat' recently. Fantastic book! Blake had a very special gift for getting his ideas over to his students'

Bye for now

Paul


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Welcome to STC Reply with quote

paulyvous wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I'm Paul from Liverpool,England. I'm doing MA in T.V scriptwriting at Manchester university. Just want to say Hi to everyone.

I was only introduced to ' Save The Cat' recently. Fantastic book! Blake had a very special gift for getting his ideas over to his students'

Bye for now

Paul


Hi Paul

Welcome to the forum from a fellow UK person, in Runcorn, Cheshire, not far from where you live in Liverpool in fact..

I studied Media Studies for my first degree at Manchester University and later a Masters in Video Production at Bournemouth Polytechnic now Bournemouth University..

I've worked in the industry in Liverpool for a couple of companies; Mersey Film and Video and Red Hot Media and I've been assistant director on a Pop Promo for an Emmy Award Winning Director who lives in Sefton, Merseyside..

You'll find Blake Snyder's SAVE THE CAT and his BS2 will simplify the process of planning and outlining your ideas to greatly assist you in screenwriting.. I actually use a lot of other script gurus theories and models but I always come back to Blake's Save the Cat because it works a treat so you're in good company here.. We love Blake and his Save the Cat ideas.

I've also used Blake's theories to rewrite other screenwriters scripts and performed page one rewrites, by editing and restructuring their scripts to produce much more fuller and richer drafts with better structure...

Sounds interesting the MA TV Scriptwriting course your on, Paul.. I nearly enrolled for an M.A. in Screenwriting at the John Moores University in Liverpool but never did, mainly because the duration was two years and the astronomical cost of the fees.. I've since written 5 feature screenplays so it hasn't hurt none learning screenwriting from the 100s of books I've invested in and reading the 1000s of screenplays in my personal collection as a means of learning to write screenplays...

Feel free to PM me anytime...

Welcome to other recent folk who've recently joined the forum too, great to have to all..


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Rachel T.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, Stella, Zalee, and Paul! Very Happy Glad to have you all here!

Stella, if the actual mechanics of getting a scene out is giving you trouble, maybe you could take a creative writing course online or at a local college. They tend to focus on short stories or scenes, which can be a big help (not as scary as staring down a whole script!), and they can teach you things like scene structure (opening, middle, end, conflict, resolution), pacing, tone/mood, etc, that Blake doesn't really cover. The nicest thing about Blake's method is that it dovetails with virtually any and every other method out there.

Welcome! Very Happy



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Ralph Dobbins
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Paul. Glad you could come. Looking forward to your contributions.



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, glad you're here and very happy you found Save the Cat! before you finished your MA!



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: New Member - Hello Everyone!!!! Reply with quote

Hello STC Family,
My name is Miquiel Banks and I'm introducing myself. Like you, I've been enthused and inspired by the STC Method and I'm waiting for the next book.



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